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♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ Amanda> Well, good evening, and welcome to Making It Grow .

We sure are happy you can join us tonight.

I'm Amanda McNulty, and I'm the Clemson Extension agent.

And my good friend and co-host Terasa Lott is also a Clemson Extension person.

And we just thank you for all you do for us.

And I just love gardens of the week.

They're so much fun.

Terasa Lott> You are right.

They are.

It is my pleasure to be part of team Making It Grow .

And it's just a small part.

And I want our viewers to know about everyone behind the scenes.

To me, they're really the folks that make the show happen.

Amanda> It is fun and we have a lot.

And everybody's so nice.

Yeah, we're lucky, aren't we?

<Very lucky.> because, they don't fuss at me very much.

And many people do.

(laughing) And sometimes people like to fuss at Vicky Bertagnolli because she is kind of like me, a little bit.

Not... Vicky> Sassy Amanda> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Anyway.

But, you do H.G.I.C, and that's the Home Garden Information Center.

And you also are an agent down in Aiken.

Okay.

Vicky> Yep.

I've got I've had several roles.

So, I'm an in office Extension agent, and then I also work with the H.G.I.C, which is emails, phone calls, and then, I also manage some of the event, planning for the, for the horticulture team.

Amanda> Oh, you do?

Okay.

How nice.

...very certain... I'm glad you planned to be with us today.

Vicky> I did, I like being here.

This is one of my very favorite things to do.

Amanda> Aw, well, we like having you a whole lot, too.

And Laura Hair, is the... 4-H agent over in Calhoun and Orangeburg.

And, we live in the same neighborhood, practically.

Laura Hair> Yeah.

So, yeah.

It's a few miles down the road.

Amanda> Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And, it's, it's nice.

Of course, Calhoun is kind of a little compared to Orangeburg.

So do you have a group of 4-Hrs in both counties or do you just do them all together?

Laura> So most of my clubs are in Orangeburg County, but I do have a club that is starting in Calhoun County.

Amanda> Well, that's cool.

Laura> In Sandy Run.

Amanda> Okay, because that's so far up there.

<Yes.> Amanda> Yeah, yeah.

Okay.

And, so I mean, but if people I guess you've had people from Calhoun County in the Orangeburg Club...?

Laura> People from Calhoun County come to Orangeburg stuff all the time.

Amanda> Yeah.

So, are the Orange... does...some of the clubs have different focus, of different focus, or are they all just, just come to 4-H and use health, hands, what, what is it?

What are the 4-Hs?

Laura> Heads, hands, health and heart.

Amanda> Okay, okay.

Laura> All of the clubs are different.

<Oh!> So there's two clubs that are focused on horses.

There's a shooting team that's a club.

There is a, there's two clubs that do just a bunch of different things, agriculture.

Amanda> Whoa.

Okay.

Laura> They do a lot of trips in those clubs.

They're fun, And then we have a cooking club also.

Amanda> Good heavens.

Well cook up my supper one night.

(laughing) Well, thanks.

I didn't...I had no idea.

So you have to learn.

You have to know a little bit about each one of those things?

Laura> Well, luckily, I have volunteers that lead all of my clubs, so.

Amanda> Whoa!

Laura> Yes.

So I just go and help when they need me.

Amanda> Oh, that's the most wonderful thing in the world.

Laura> Yeah, it's great.

Amanda> Gosh, Pete!

So you're just sitting around there painting your nails, and- Laura>-I would not say that.

(laughing) (indiscernible) Amanda> Okay.

What fun to learn that.

And Nicole Correa you are also have Orangeburg and Calhoun and several other counties, but you do livestock and forages.

And livestock can be stuff from I guess, is it rabbit?

If people raise rabbits for meat and things like that?

>> Yes, rabbits do count.

We will do poultry.

We'll do cattle, sheep and goats, even something as odd, if it's going to be for meat, something as odd as bison or buffalo.

Amanda> Yeah.

Okay, Nicole> Or ostriches.

I haven't gotten an ostrich yet.

I'm waiting.

Waiting on my ostrich and my emu.

Amanda> Oh, do you think that somebody is going to get those and you'll be helping them with them?

<I hope so.> Amanda> Okay.

That would be very interesting, wouldn't it?

Nicole> It would be.

Amanda> Oh.

All right.

Huh.

All right.

I have a friend whose dog can only eat kangaroo meat or something.

Is that a new deal?

Have you ever heard of that one?

Nicole> I have not heard of that.

I'll have to look into it.

<Yeah> Terasa> I do know that chicken is a very common dog, dog protein allergy.

Amanda> Yeah...blue isn't supposed to have any chicken.

Yeah, yeah.

Terasa> But I... it seems like it'd be hard to source kangaroo.

Amanda> Yeah, it does to me too.

Nicole> But you never know, we may end up having someone who decides to, raise kangaroo here and reproduce that meat.

Amanda> I guess she could raise them here.

Nicole> No reason not to.

Amanda> I mean, you just have to have like, a certain kind of fence, I guess.

Interesting.

Okay.

Well, and anyway, so a little bit later we're going to have soybean and deer oh soy...poor deer, you know they don't have a place to be anywhere.

And, and so, of course, they like soybeans, anyway.

And Hannah is going to do that with Cory Heaton and then the Fairfield County Museum, that's just the loveliest little spot in the world.

If y'all are ever over in that neck of the woods, it is truly lovely.

And, we did something about holiday decorations and then a Jingle Bells exhibit.

There were different kinds of jingle bells.

How crazy is that?

Terasa> I had no idea.

Amanda> Yeah, well, you go learn about it when you watch this... (laughing) Yeah.

How about that?

And then, right now we're going to see who has a lovely yard and share some pictures with us, Terasa.

Terasa> That's right.

It's time for Gardens of the Week, which for a long time I was saying this was like a new part of Making It Grow.

But now, it's been around for a while, so I guess we'll call it an old staple.

But it's your time to show off what you're doing in your yard, your garden.

It could be a house plant.

It could be a beautiful place in the state.

And we have many of those.

So let's take a look at your submissions for the week From Arnold Alier, we have a few of his young figs in West Columbia.

Annette Barret shared some beautiful fall color on a Japanese maple.

From Betty Futch, the colors of fall, as seen from her front porch.

I'm a little jealous.

Jeff Edwards shared herb gardens from Walnut Grove Plantation, and we wrap up this episode of Gardens of the Week with Sue Davis, who shared peanuts.

She said they weren't planted this year.

They were from last year, but must have been missed.

And they sure they made a nice cover crop under her tomatoes.

Sometimes those surprises can be appreciated.

We appreciate all of you who shared your photographs.

You can see additional ones on our Facebook page, and we hope you visit the page regularly, not just for Gardens of the Week , but to see all the content that we share.

We try to do that as regularly, as possible.

Amanda> That's pretty cool.

So the tomatoes got some extra nitrogen, since peanuts are nitrogen fixers, isn't that fun?

Huh!

Too cool!

Okay.

Well, is there anybody in the whole state of South Carolina or beyond who might have a question?

Terasa> Oh yes.

It seems like, there's never a shortage of questions.

This one comes in from Great Falls.

And Greta, asked a question.

It's one of those kind of myth busting questions.

Can woollybear caterpillars predict the weather?

(laughing) I've definitely heard people say they can.

Now whether or not- Amanda> Depending on how woolly they are?

I mean, do they have different amounts of woollyness?

This is too crazy.

Vicky> They say it depends on the size of the band, either the black band or the orange band, how cold it's going to be or how long winter's going to last or something like that.

But what they're talking about this is the banded woollybear.

And this turns into... this is a banded woollybear caterpillar, and it turns into what we call an Isabella Moth.

And the, unfortunately, it's one of those things where it's fun, to think about that an insect could tell predict the weather or something like that, but in this particular case, that's not what happened.

Amanda> Even, the weatherman can't predict the weather anymore.

It's all too crazy, Vicky> There's an orange band of hairs that naturally occurs, and there's going to be, some black hairs toward the rear end and some black hairs toward the head.

<Okay.> And as that caterpillar matures, <Yes.> they drop off the black hairs and they're replaced with orange hairs.

And so what you're looking at is whenever you see one toward the end of the Fall that has a lot of orange on it, it's one of the more mature caterpillars, and depending on where they are in their life stage, like, in their, in their lifecycle.

<Yeah.> They may over winter as just the caterpillar or if it's, if it's one of the older ones, or they may if it's one of the younger caterpillars spin a thin cocoon, <Uh huh> and over winter, in the pupal stage in that little thin cocoon.

But this is not one that's going to be able to predict the weather.

This is the- Amanda> None of them can.

Vicky> The amount of orange on it has to do with the maturity of the caterpillar.

Amanda> Are they, do they hurt you, if you touch one?

Vicky> So, in the past, I've told you guys and warned you guys don't pick up the hairy and the spiny ones, the brightly colored ones.

In this case, there's an exception.

<Okay.> This one, the, the hairs aren't urticating And so they're not going to they're not going to irritate your skin.

And this one is actually called a sometimes it's called a hedgehog caterpillar, because its defense mechanism is to roll up real tight, and it kind of looks like a little hedgehog Amanda> Oh, that's funny.

Vicky> So, when it's all orange.

<Okay, cool.> But this one is, this one's perfectly fine.

Amanda> Okay, okay, okay.

Yeah, it'd be fun to run into one just to see what it looks like.

Vicky> They're super cute.

Amanda> Yeah.

(laughs) Okay.

Well, thank you so very, very much.

Vicky> You're welcome.

Amanda> All right, Ms.

Terasa.

Terasa> What have we got next?

Oh, this one comes from St Matthews, Amanda.

Max, wrote in and said "We're having family visiting - " Do you have any ideas for something fun for the kids to do outdoors?

Amanda> Oh, pick up pecans, (laughing) Laura> Put them to work.

Amanda> Okay, my dear 4-Hr Laura> Yes.

So, that is one of the things you can do.

You can have them be your garden helper.

You can have them fill up the bird feeders, pick up pecans.

It's usually nice and, not warm, not super cold.

It's nice weather during Thanksgiving, usually.

Instead of sitting outside, they can go on a nature hunt, just make a little list.

Maybe find something smooth, something rough, find a red leaf.

Amanda> Oh.

Laura> And any time I've ever done a scavenger hunt.

Yes, ma'am.

When I've done scavenger hunts in nature with the kids.

And you give them a descriptive word, so, like, find something smooth, the things that they come back with are just amazing, like things that I would never think of.

Amanda> Yeah.

Laura> You could also maybe send them on a turkey trek so they can look for animal tracks and animal scat, see what animals have been out there.

They can also make a mini insect hotel so you can take a tin can.

You've been cooking, so you'll probably have some tin cans laying around.

They can take a tin can and they can put sticks in there, leaves, bark and then lay it in the garden and the bugs will go in there and over winter.

<Come on> Laura> Yes.

So, lots of things that kids can do outside while they're with you during Thanksgiving.

Terasa> Now, we can add the woollybear to the list.

(indiscernible dialogue) Vicky> ...go on a caterpillar hunt.

That is so exciting.

Amanda> You know, and Edward said, that when he was young, you know, a hundred million years ago, his Uncle Conrad from Charleston would teach him the different trees by the leaves that had fallen to the ground where they came up for Thanksgiving holidays.

Isn't it fun because it might just lead to some memories like that.

Laura> Definitely.

Amanda> I think that's just the loveliest idea.

Golly.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay, Terasa.

Terasa> Next up, we have Matt from Lexington who said, "With Thanksgiving this week, "do any of the turkeys in the store "actually come from South Carolina?"

Amanda> My goodness.

Well, I bet some of them do.

What do you think?

Nicole> I think so.

South Carolina is the eighth largest producer of turkeys in the nation.

Amanda> In the nation?

Nicole> In the nation, based on South Carolina Poultry Federation's information.

And so last year, there were 10 million turkeys grown in South Carolina with Kershaw County being the leading county.

Amanda> Okay.

Right over in Camden.

Okay.

Nicole> So yeah.

And then a little bit more about Thanksgiving.

<Yeah.> So, as far as hogs go, in...2022, there were 153, over 153 thousand hogs grown in South Carolina.

So when we think about our ham and people are watching football, you know, our livestock producers make a big impact in South Carolina.

And then for those of us who enjoy prime rib, there are 295 thousand head of cattle in, in South Carolina.

Amanda> Come on.

Are they?

<Yep.> Oh, so are they processed in state?

And...dispersed?

Nicole> They can be.

Yes.

Some of them will be processed in state, some will be processed outside.

But either way, when we enjoy Thanksgiving, we want to make sure we thank our farmers.

Amanda> We sure will.

That is too cool.

Yeah.

Turkey and dressing.

I tell you, it's hard... Do you like to put the stuffing inside your turkey or not?

I know you're not supposed to, but you have to eat it all the same way.

(laughing) Nicole> I like a stuffing.

I don't like a dressing, if that answers your question.

Amanda> What's the difference.

Nicole> I've been told that stuffing goes in the turkey and dressing is made outside.

So... Terasa> This could lead to that like great mayo debate.

And I don't know, it's just a touchy subject.

(laughing) Amanda> I mean, yeah, and my friend Ruthie, her momma would, she'd put, we call it dressing, she put some in the bird, and then she would get brand new athletic socks and fill them up with dressing and put them around the turkey, you know, because she had a covered, you know, turkey roaster and, so it just, it was getting all that wonderful stuff that the turkey got.

How about that?

Terasa> So what was the purpose of the sock?

Does it just keep it in place or keep it from getting too brown?

Amanda> Well, it was in the sock.

It just.

...I don't know.

You know.

Terasa> Interesting.

Terasa> I hope...always put new socks...and it didn't... Amanda> You know if you put the dressing in the bird.

You got to be real careful about getting it to the right temperature and everything.

But yeah, they're all kinds of people because I believe that H.G.I.C.

gives you food advice, too.

Vicky> There are, there's, there's a lot of food safety information on there.

There's food safety agents around the state.

You can either call the H.G.I.C.

go look on the H.G.I.C.

website or consult your local Extension office and find a food safety agent there.

(Amanda laughs) Amanda> I don't know what kind of socks you're supposed to get.

I guess, your preference I think I probably... Terasa> Does the brand matter for...?

Amanda> Yeah.

I don't know that I'd get...anyway, anyway.

Anyway, I think you'd want a pretty good Yeah.

sized sock...still.

Yeah.

Okay.

So now, we're going to see about Hannah.

Hannah Mikell is an Ag agent, and she comes and does some pretty wonderful things for us.

And she and Cory Heaton are going to go out and see the soybean and the deer and what you might be able to do.

♪ ♪ >> Hi, I'm Hannah Mikell, agronomy agent for Clemson Extension.

Today I have the pleasure of being at Sandhill Research and Education Center with Dr.

Cory Heaton.

Cory it's so good to see you.

Cory> Good to see you.

Hannah> Yeah, we've had the opportunity to work together now for 13, 14 years I think.

Cory> Something like that.

Hannah> Yeah.

And in that time you have done extensive research on deer depredation and all sorts of things.

But today, we have the opportunity to see some of that firsthand.

<Right.> Hannah> Tell us about where we're at now.

Cory> So today, we're looking at right now some fences that we put in for the South Carolina Soybean Board.

And, they were interested in ways to stop deer damage in some of their fields.

And so we developed a few different designs that are, you know, common out there.

And we're just testing them to see which ones work.

And as you can see, this one doesn't work very well.

Hannah> No, let's take a look at these, because these are some astronomically short beans.

Typically they'd be squatting down at this level.

They'd be right at head high, Right?

Cory> Right.

Yeah.

And we'll see that in some other fields.

One of the big problems we have when deer are browsing beans is they continue to browse them.

And so the soybean plants put on their node spacing really close together.

<Right.> So each one of these bracts should be, you know, further apart six, eight, ten inches apart.

And here you see they're not even an inch apart.

So it makes it really difficult, even if you were able to make beans to get them in a harvester.

<Right.> You know, we'd want to start harvesting beans somewhere around in here, and these plants would never see that.

Hannah> And this is happening because the deer have continued to browse.

As the plants have grown they've just clipped all the, the leaves off.

Cory> Right?

Yeah.

And you know, some fields we see where they browse it early and then they go somewhere else and feed.

and you get a semi-normal looking plant.

But when they continue to browse you get these very compact plants, that are really difficult to harvest, <Yeah.> if you did make a crop.

Hannah> Yeah.

And as you all well know, I mean, you have to have leaves in order to give the plant enough energy to actually reproduce.

And, and what we're seeing here, are these little bitty, tiny pods, where our soybeans should be, you know, three and four pods in some cases.

But I don't see hardly any on any of these plants out here.

So the, <Yeah> the yield would be basically zero, right?

Cory> Yeah, the yield on this field is zero.

It's zero.

And that's you know, not every field in South Carolina gets hit this hard, but a lot of them do.

Hannah> Yeah I get calls.

Cory> And a lot of pieces of fields get this hard.

So you know like maybe the whole field isn't damaged, but 10 percent, 20 percent of it is damaged at this level.

Hannah> Yeah, I know I've had phone calls where we've had a 40 acre field.

They planted twice and both times they cleared the whole field, <Absolutely.> where's nothing out there.

Cory> Yeah.

And then we have a handful of fields that get no damage.

<Yeah.> You know, so it's kind of all over the board.

Hannah> It's relative depending on their hunting styles and what they're doing as far as deer management, too.

<Absolutely.> So Cory, behind us are some nice growthy looking beans.

Let's go take a look at those.

<All right.> ♪ ♪ Hannah> Okay, Cory.

We made it from the split wire fence to the slanted fence.

We were able to make it through something the deer haven't, obviously been able to do.

<Right.> Tell us about these beans and why they look so good.

Cory> Right.

So both of the fences that we've been in, are designed to work off a deer's depth perception.

<Oh!> Right, And so it's, it's making that deer think, he can't cross it.

They're perfectly capable of crossing either one of these fences.

Hannah> These are about, what, five foot, six foot tall?

Cory> Yeah, somewhere in that neighborhood.

But, you know, the first year, the fence we were in with all the damage looked just like this, but in year two, you see what happened.

Hannah> They figured it out.

Cory> Right.

Right.

And so when we come over to this fence, it's been effective two years in a row.

So this is a much better solution for a permanent fence.

<Okay.> The fence we were in earlier would be a good fence for a temporary fence, like for guys doing dove fields or duck impoundments or wildlife food plots.

It would be a good option for that, where are you going to take it down at the end of the year.

Hannah> Right, not just for soybeans, maybe sunflowers <Right.> or various other crops.

Cory> Right, right.

So, a lot of options there.

<Right.> But for a permanent fence to keep deer out of an area, this slanted fence works extremely well.

<Yeah.> And these beans were planted the same day as the fence, we were just in, same seed, same fertility, same insect control.

You know, everything's identical.

<Yeah> Cory> except for, deer aren't in this fence.

We pulled the leaves off just to show you how these things are spaced.

<Yeah> But on the, on the plants in the other field, you know, this is the top of that plant.

<Yeah.> And so in here where we've stopped deer damage, this is where we start to set pods, and then it goes up in a way that the harvester can actually get to.

<Yeah.> And it spreads them out, you know.

Hannah> Yeah, that header will come through and pick up that bottom node with that being that started to set fruit and that's excellent.

So for those that are wanting to hunt obviously they do need some type of stand to let the deer feed on it.

<Sure.> How do they go about doing that?

Cory> So I work with a lot of guys that are doing just that.

You know, I work with farmers trying to stop deer damage, but I work with a lot of guys who are trying to grow deer.

And what we do is fence out some of these areas, just like what you see here.

<Right> To allow some volume to get in there.

You know, if they continue to eat that plant and never let it get taller than this, Hannah> Yeah, there's nothing Cory> there's not a lot of volume to that feed.

But here you have tonnage.

<Yeah> And tonnage feeds deer.

Hannah> Yeah.

So if we're planting and, and like in our row crop situation, like the growers I work with, we're, we're in like late April, May, "June-ish" for depending on what variety they're planting, what group they are of soybean, but for a food plot type situation, they're planting... Cory> It's all over the board, Hannah.

I have, I have guys that are doing the same thing as us.

They're coming out in May with a group four, And then I have guys that are planting in July, and, you know, I'm telling those guys to go with a late six or early seven variety.

<Right.> And it works.

It works.

You just got to make sure you get the right variety for the time that you're planting.

Hannah> Yeah.

It's so interesting.

So the fencing cost, tell me where we are with that.

Cory> Yeah, so on this fence, you're looking at about $1.25, a linear foot.

And I've talked to some growers that put these in.

And my question is, how many seasons is it going to take to pay for that fence?

<Yeah.> And so far it looks like one growing season more than pays for it.

Hannah> That's excellent, but they're probably going to want to put that on land that they own, not land that they're renting.

Cory> You know, if you work out that lease agreement on that rental where you can do ten years or 12 years or 15... how do you do that, possibly, but you're right, more so on owned land than rented land.

The other things too, is you judge that based on the level of deer damage, you know, on one of these high damage fields, this fence pays for itself in a year, <Right.> So you could justify putting it on, on a one year rental, you know, if you had to.

<Right.> Hannah> Really trust in the person who owns the field there.

Sometimes I get phone calls from people that are out of town that own family land, still.

They no longer utilize it, but they rent it.

If there's a communication there between the person renting it and the owner of deer depredation of sorts, they might not even have to do this fencing scenario, right?

Cory> Right.

Yeah.

We have other options.

You know, we have a lot of work going on looking at deer repellents.

Hannah> Oh, tell me about all that.

Cory> And I can show you plots where, you know, right here on this farm where we're using deer repellents and getting the exact same results this fence gave us.

<Right.> You know, the farmers going to have to make multiple trips across the field, and that is not cheap.

You know.

Hannah> They can take... with like an insecticide or something like that, right?

Cory> Yeah.

Most of these products blend well with insecticides with your herbicides.

They fit into our normal program.

<Right.> But it might require an extra trip or two.

Hannah> And costs.

And costs.

Yeah.

So you kind of have to weigh one or the other if you're going to take two trips across the field, to save or salvage a field with deer damage in it, where does that equate to our fencing costs, possibly?

Cory> Yeah.

And you know, that's going to be on a case by case basis.

Hannah> Yeah.

Cory> You know.

You can't make those decisions for them.

Cory> No.

You can't make those decisions for them, but you can give them the options.

And those are the options we have.

<Yeah.> And they're pretty good options.

Most of the ones that I've seen to be the most effective were soap based, like an insecticidal soap product.

We've had really good luck at... of those.

Essential oils have become really common in deer repellent.

Hannah> We take a boatload of essential oils.

Cory> Yeah, it's a lot of plant based oils, garlic oils, peppermint oils.

<Really> Clove oils, you know, all these different, plant oils.

Pretty effective.

And then we have other things like, there's a product on the market now that's emulsified sheep fat.

<What?> And it works phenomenally.

Hannah> Cory, come on.

Cory> There's dehydrated blood products that work really well, you know.

Hannah> Like blood meal from...?

Cory> Blood meal, kind of.

Yeah.

<Wow.> Yeah.

So we have a lot of different options there.

Some are more effective than others.

One of the things we've studied this year is how do they perform under the same conditions.

So, like if you put these different products out on the same day and they experience the same weather, like the oil products don't perform as well, when we're 90 plus degrees when we put them out.

They just kind of volatilize and go away.

The soap products work really great in hot weather, but they don't work really great when we have rainy weather.

Hannah> Yeah.

Cory> So, you know, it's kind of a balancing act of which product to use, when.

Hannah> Yeah.

Yeah.

I think some growers end up kind of disillusioned by the fact that, oh, I'll put it out.

You know, when they came up to protect them.

<Right.> But now those soybeans are up, like, you know, a foot tall.

And now I'm seeing an astronomical amount of deer damage in the middle of the day.

<Yes.> So it's not a one shot stops all the deer, right?

Cory> No, I, I've tested literally every product that's on the market.

None of them are single application products.

You're going to have to go.

I think it's really important, right, when we come out of the ground, when we got uniform emergence, we need to spray, because if they get hit during that cotyledon stage, you're going to lose a lot of plants, right?

And then after that it's going to be case by case like sometimes they'll last two weeks, sometimes they'll last two months.

You just got to watch that crop and see.

But as soon as you see damage in the field again, go spray again.

Hannah> Yeah.

Yeah.

So we've talked about the fencing, the growth habits of the soybeans, both for, you know, people who are growing them for profit and not, but we haven't touched on the fact of how do you measure the deer density.

I know we can count tracks.

<Sure.> But what else is beneficial?

Cory> So there's basically two methods that people use.

You can do it with trail camera surveys and you can do it with spotlight surveys.

Hannah> Like the old timey.

Cory> Yeah.

Old timey.

That's the way I still do it.

I like spotlight surveys.

You just develop a route, estimate the distance that you're looking at, and count the deer.

And it works really well.

Spotlight surveys, anybody can do, you know, trail camera surveys work really well, but you're going to spend a lot of time looking at those cameras and trying to identify deer to actually determine how many you have.

There's a ton of information online on how to do those.

Hannah> But at the end of the day, there was a study done of what, how many, 4 or 5 years ago now, maybe about deer pressure and what the loss was just in soybeans.

Cory> Sure.

Yeah.

So we worked on that for like 4 or 5 years now.

And, we're estimating how much deer are costing us in soybeans and it's a lot more than you would think.

But roughly 25% of our soybean yield across the whole state is leaving with deer.

Hannah> What does that equate to in dollars?

Cory> Around $50 million dollars every year.

Hannah> 50 Million.

Cory> Yeah.

Walking off with deer.

Somewhere in that.

I mean, that's extrapolated from, you know, the fields in the study.

But that's the best estimate we have.

Hannah> You know, thank you so much for all that you've given to our growers, all the, the knowledge that you just possess individually.

I know you're always available when I give you a call, and I certainly appreciate it.

Cory> You're very welcome.

I think we need to really thank the people that funded all this research and that are trying to find these answers for our farmers.

So, <Yeah> South Carolina Cotton Board, South Carolina Soybean board, South Carolina Peanut board, all the commodity boards have, have been, you know, they're fully in it.

And then they've worked with us every way they could, to start answering some of these problems with deer.

Hannah> Yeah.

Well, you know, the farmers make up all those boards, and it's important to them.

It's important to us, and we want to be there for them to make sure we're getting all their questions answered.

>> All their questions answered.

And we're trying, you know, we're trying and we're getting good information.

I mean, this is the difference between a farmer being in business, and not being in business.

Hannah> That's right.

Yeah.

We just need some of those commodity prices to go up.

Right?

Cory> Yes.

Hannah> Thank you again, Cory, so much I appreciate it.

Cory> You're very welcome.

Thank you for coming.

♪ Amanda> We want to sure thank everybody who's working on trying to find solutions to this problem.

And also, for letting us here learn about it too.

I think that's important.

Well, Goodness gracious.

This all looks very interesting.

What?

This is, we're, we're 4-Hrs now.

Laura> Yes.

We are going to make a mini pumpkin planter.

<Okay.> Some sustainable decorating that you can use for Thanksgiving this week.

So most of us probably have pumpkins that are laying around, leftover from Halloween, Fall decorations.

So you can take a pumpkin, any size pumpkin.

<Yes.> And you're going to cut a hole in the top.

And then you're going- Amanda>...you could lift it out like a hat?

Laura> You could lift it out like a hat.

<Okay.> Just like if you were carving a pumpkin.

So we're going to cut our top off.

<Okay.> So let's...to do that.

And we have already started cutting our pumpkins.

Amanda> But to get us kind of, give us a head start?

Laura> Give us a head start.

(grunting) Amanda> Pumpkins are tough.

Laura> They are tough.

Amanda> Oh, wow!

Gosh, pumpkin seeds Laura> When we have our tops, we can stick them to the side.

And I will actually take these tops with me because we aren't going to need them for the rest of the craft.

I'll take them with me.

And if you watched the episode last week, you saw I had sheep.

So I'll take these and let our sheep eat them.

Amanda> I'm going to eat some of my pumpkin seeds.

I'm hungry.

Laura> Go for it.

<Yeah> Terasa> I prefer mine roasted.

Amanda> Well, I know, but it depends on how hungry you are.

Laura> So after you cut the top off, you have all of the good stuff on the inside.

And we do not want to get rid of that.

We're going to let that be part of our planter.

But we are going to get a spoon and kind of scrape the inside out a little bit.

<Okay.> And just let it go down in there.

And you've got some animals at home that might eat this one.

It's all... Laura> I do.

Our sheep and our pigs and chickens.

Vicky> Chickens love this.

Laura> Will love this.

So just kind of chop it up a little bit in there.

Amanda> Okay.

Hold on.

We're getting there.

Vicky> We're just trying to make some room in here, right?

Laura> Just make some room in there.

But it's all going to stay in there.

<Okay.> And once you have that chopped up a little bit, I had a seed come out Amanda> Okay.

Laura> You are going to take a little bit of potting soil.

Yes.

And put it in there just enough to cover the bottom a little bit.

Amanda> Or doesn't have to come up very high?

Laura> It does not have to come up very high.

You're going to want to make sure you can fit your flowers down in there.

<Okay.> So just a little bit.

Amanda> So you can tilt it and show maybe people.

Laura> So I have about I don't know maybe two inches left from the top.

Amanda> Okay, because we do want to have ...and if you go and water it it's going to...in a little bit.

Laura> Right.

Amanda> Okay.

Vicky> Do we mix it up or do we just put the...?

Laura> You can.

Vicky> Okay.

Laura> You don't have to but you can.

Nicole> Will leaving the seeds in there, help to keep the flowers alive, at all?

Laura> So, everything will naturally decompose.

And when you finish using it as a tabletop decoration or on your front porch, you can take it and you can actually plant the pumpkin part in the ground where the flowers are up, Amanda> This is- Laura> Then everything will just decompose.

(Amanda laughs) Nicole> Nice.

Laura> So once you have your dirt in there, your soil, you can get your flowers and you can use, we are using different types of pansies.

Amanda> And if you squeeze the bottom of the container, it'll come out a little more easier if you don't mind my saying that.

Laura> But if you have some mums left over from your Fall decorations, you can use those just as easily.

Amanda> Can we switch some purple for some- Nicole> Oh, of course.

Amanda> Is that okay with you?

Laura> Does anyone want any of the little ones?

<Okay.> Nicole> Now do I have to squeeze this and kind of get the roots?

Laura> Kind of mush it a little bit.

<Okay.> Terasa> I think I should have made a larger hole.

Amanda> Well, you can go back.

Terasa> I could.

Amanda> Yeah.

Laura> You want...one of these?

Vicky> Nice and full.

Amanda> I'm going to make mine a little bit bigger, right now, as a matter of fact.

Why does it help when you stick your tongue out, when you have to do something?

(laughing) Nicole> This is another great outdoor activity.

Laura> It is a great outdoor activity.

Nicole> I'm making a mess.

(laughing) Amanda> This is so much fun.

Laura> This is perfect, purple ones.

Nicole> Laura, would you like one of these?

Amanda> Yes.

I need one more.

Oh, please.

Thank you.

Oh, I get a little Johnny-jump-up.

Oh, how fun.

I love Johnny-jump-ups.

And sometimes Johnny-jump-ups seed down and come back, which is fun.

Laura> They do.

They can spread.

Stick them in there.... and it does.

You can make it super full, tight in there.

Mines are a little bit tight.

>> Okay.

Laura> But that'll be fine, once you water it, everything will, <Okay.> settle down... Amanda> Can I have one more?

Anybody got a pansy or anything left?

Vicky> I got a, I have a maroon colored one.

Amanda> Okay, that'd be lovely.

Laura> There we go.

Amanda> Thank you.

Nicole> There you go.

Laura> And once you are finished with them, you can either just put one as your centerpiece in the table, or you can group a few of them together.

And if you want to use even smaller pumpkins, you know, to place beside it, Amanda> Uh huh.

Laura> you can do that, that don't have, they don't have to have flowers in them.

Vicky> So can we use any kind of, does it have to be a pumpkin.

Can we use some of the gourds.

Laura> You can use a gourd.

<Okay> Laura> You can use a gourd.

Anything that will naturally decompose once you put it in the ground.

Amanda> Okay.

What, what, what, what fun.

Yes.

Great, great, great, great fun.

<Yes.> Thank you.

Thank you.

I want to be a 4-Hr.

Laura> Super easy.

Vicky> These are great.

Amanda> Yeah.

Okay.

Well, now we're going up to Fairfield County and see about getting ready for the holidays.

♪ ♪ Amanda> I'm in Winnsboro, South Carolina, at the Fairfield County Museum, and I'm talking with Sunny Turner.

And you are on the board of the Historical Society.

<Yes> And in garden clubs.

You are involved in a lot of things here.

And y'all have decorated this place.

It is so exciting.

Tell me how this all started.

>> Well, decades ago, the garden clubs coordinated and they started decorating the historical home that is now our museum.

And we have three garden clubs.

And every year they're assigned a different space.

And, they do their own decor and they do their own installation, and they are to use materials that would be period to this mid 19th century home.

Amanda> Appropriate.

Yes.

Well, and I think it's this is just a fascinating museum and filled with things from this very important area historically.

<Yes.> I also I just think it's wonderful that you keep with that theme and don't try to gussy it up too much with modern things.

And so you have, the room that we're sitting in, which is the parlor.

Sunny> The parlor.

Amanda> And then you've got the hall, which, of course, back in the old days, the hall was a large room and sits in there and quite beautiful, and beautiful stairs.

And then you've got the dining room and you all even spilled over a little bit into the bedroom behind it.

Y'all just couldn't stop.

You were having so much fun and has such beautiful, beautiful materials.

And you know, you think, green is just a color, but it's a, it's a fascinating color with so many hues and variations.

And we see that reflected in the arrangements that they've done.

Sunny> It's very... We try to limit the berries and be very careful, because berries can drop off and they can get embedded in the cracks of the historic floor.

Amanda> And this...this is very much a part of their house.

Sunny> This is a...pine floor.

So we have to be very careful about how we use the berries.

But it's, it's very interesting if you go and look in your yard, you can find a lot of different textures and colors, even though they're all green.

That will provide an interesting decor.

So anybody can do it.

And we, we, we've had a lot of people come in after we've decorated that said, you know, I never thought of that.

<Yes.> And this is beautiful.

And it, it won't last, you know, past the holidays and it might even get a little bit dry before then, but it still has a beautiful smell and, just very interesting.

Amanda> Well, and I think one of the nice things about this is that you all get together.

There are three garden clubs.

<Yes.> And you get together, although you may come at different times of the day because some people are working and some people have other responsibilities.

And then I think you'll have a pretty nice party.

Sunny> We do.

So, every year we have a gala, which is really just a drop-in cocktail party.

We have local musicians that will play.

So this year, we had someone, accompanied by guitar that had operatic training.

We have a lot of times local singing groups, sometimes music students and there are music teachers will come.

This year we have a bluegrass band.

Amanda> And you have a pump organ.

<Yes.> And apparently it's so exhausting to do it but the band can only play three songs.

But you also have a piano that's still working.

<It does> People can make beautiful music with that.

Sunny> Yes.

Every time there's an event, they're, here where music is provided, the piano is used.

Amanda> And so y'all have used those tops, those surfaces as ways to put your displays out.

And I love the oranges in them.

They're just beautiful and so subtle.

And they actually add a whole 'nother color and dimension And pomegranates, you know which are not going to drop berries, but certainly give you that fabulous color.

Sunny> And apples too, as well.

Amanda> And, and then you've got cotton, which is just so appropriate, you know, for an, what was originally an agricultural county.

And, and feathers, deer horns, I mean, because this is a rural county in some ways, and people do enjoy going out into nature and one of the things is you want to get arrangements that have some space and go beyond the smaller, place where the greenery is and branches, what could be more wonderful than that?

And, and you'll have a wonderful assortment of those.

And the curly willow, which is stunningly beautiful, don't you think?

And then on the stairs, you've even incorporated some grapevine wreaths, which is just fun.

Sunny> And really, if you're interested in doing it, of course, there's always you can Google ideas on the Internet, but really, Colonial Williamsburg, there are a lot of, periodicals and a lot of things available on the Internet that have pictures that could really give you inspiration.

And, and we look at, I think our groups sometimes look at some of those examples from Colonial Williamsburg or, English magazines.

Amanda> Because you got the oranges with the cloves stuck in them which is just so much fun, and adds even more wonderful fragrances to the whole ambiance of this.

And to think that every year in this house, when y'all do this, I'm sure that the community loves to have a reason to come out and see the incredible treasures that y'all have in this museum.

It's just fascinating.

One of my favorite things is there's a cradle in which a baby was.

And since we didn't have screens, you know, the window would be open and a crow would come in and put little glittery, pieces of rocks and things in the bed with the, with the baby.

It's fun to come here and hear the stories that y'all tell.

And I came to, you invited me to come to a tea party.

It was just a very elegant, old fashioned tea party.

Thank you.

Sunny> Good.

Well, it was fun.

And we wanted to, we wanted to thank the garden clubs.

And so we did have the tea this year just to thank them, and talk about different things that we can do in the community and kind of work together as the three garden clubs.

And so we were so happy that you joined us.

Everybody was very excited to meet you, that had not.

Amanda> Well, I was thrilled to come.

And also, I've been to this museum before, but every time I come, I'm just amazed by the remarkable assortment of things that y'all have collected, that people can come and enjoy.

Thank you so very much for what y'all do.

Sunny> Well we...it is, it is so much fun.

We really enjoyed doing it.

And it really helps kind of kick the holiday season off, I think, and then, and then we take it home and do it at home too.

It inspires us.

♪ Amanda> Well, we want to thank, all the people at Fairfield County Museum.

And, we're going to see a little bit more of them later.

But anyway, hats, hats, hats.

So, Eastern Red Cedar, is a native tree to here.

In a lot of places it's male and female, and it is just the most wonderful tree in the world.

A lot of animals, Terasa, use it as, like a shelter... (indiscernible) of the, of the branches and the leaves.

Apparently, it's just a great place for shelter.

And then the female ones, have these fabulous berries, which are juniper berries, and I collect them, and, this is what goes in gin.

You know, so it's sometimes called juniper.

And so gin has juniper berries in it.

And it's just wonderful.

You feel like you can have a gin and tonic on the show, (laughing) but, they're really, really good to cook with.

And so I save them and, and cook with them, too.

Isn't that kind of fun?

Terasa> Well, you mentioned that, juniper berries.

So we call it Eastern Red Cedar, but it's not really a cedar.

It's a it's a juniper.

So a cedar is the genus Cedrus, I don't know why we call it that, but, Amanda> Well,...you figure out, you know, it is fun, isn't it?

Terasa> It really is.

Amanda> Yeah.

And it's just, it's a wonderful tree.

And they grow forever and ever and ever.

I mean, I've seen cedar trees.

that must be several, you know, 300 or 400 years old.

And they just get more beautiful as they do.

At any rate, and then, fall asters, I have some asters that are in the shade, and since it doesn't freeze now, they're still they're just beginning to come into bloom.

And I think they're just so pretty, don't you?

Anyway, So, I just love Fall colors, and hickory to me, although I know some people don't like hickory nuts in their yard because it's bad on their lawnmower, but you should just shrink your lawn and have a smaller area.

But hickories are just beautifully.

This is one leaf, it's a compound leaf.

And have you ever seen more beautiful color?

It's just gorgeous.

And, and you do get hickory nuts.

They're kind of hard to get into, but, but they taste good, so and of course, it's, you know, it's closely related to pecans, but pecans are much easier to get into it.

Terasa> That is a beautiful color.

And people sometimes ask, you know, they'll be.

Good years for color, and bad years for color.

So as I understand it, ideal conditions, conditions for good Fall color would be having very little rain, having bright sunny days, and cold but not freezing temperatures.

So if you get that sort of weather, you get the ideal, or most vibrant fall color.

Amanda> And the reds are the ones that are mostly dependent upon all those weird things happening, too.

as best as I can understand.

And if you want to know a whole lot about it, you can go to the Waddell School of Forestry W-A-D-D-E-L-L at the University of Georgia, and they've got like a 50 page book you can read about, which I could, I learned a lot.

Vicky> Now, I'll tell you what, I'm lucky because I have two very large hickory trees in my front yard.

Two very, very, very large.

Amanda> They're so pretty, aren't they?

Vicky> They're really pretty.

It's, there's a lot of movement.

And I mean- Amanda> And lots of wildlife, enjoy the nuts a lot.

Vicky> The, so you said that they're hard to get into.

I tell you what, the squirrels at my house- Amanda> They don't have any trouble.

Vicky> There's no trouble, whatsoever.

Amanda> Yeah.

You know, what I mean.

Squirrels are squirrels.

You know.

They're not the end of the world.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay.

Anyway, so let's see.

Where are we now?

Terasa> You ready for another question?

Amanda> Please, we certainly are.

Terasa> Let's see what we have.

This one comes in from Ed in Georgia.

So we've got out of state.

I found these little piles of dirt in my lawn.

Who built them and how do I get rid of them?

And we do have a photo to go along with that.

Amanda> Who built them?

Terasa> Who built them.

(laughing) Amanda> Well, lawns aren't your specialty, but insects and funky things are, so.

Vicky> Yeah, it lawns are definitely not my favorite thing.

But, I know that Ed really likes to take care of his, his grass.

He's got a very nicely manicured lawn.

<Good.> And, these are earthworm castings.

<Oh> We might get him confused with, the tunneling activity of mole crickets, but it's shaped differently.

And we know that it's worm castings because the pellets are relatively small.

<Okay.> Vicky> And what happens is, is the earthworms are in the soil profile, they're eating organic matter, they're taking in soil particles, and the castings are the poop.

<Yeah.> And so they're pooping the stuff out and they're coming to the surface.

They'll deposit these on the, at the, at the soil level, like at the surface level, and- Amanda>-just because it interferes where they're living or whatever, Vicky> Because, they're moving around in that soil well I mean, they're trying to make room for themselves.

<Okay.> They're trying to move around and things like that.

So they're depositing them above soil level and we get these little piles of dirt and they, they're like I said, they're formed, and folks are like, well, I don't like them.

They're, they're untidy in my, in my turf.

And what do I need to do about them?

And you need to think about this, that because these earthworms are processing that organic matter, these are nutrient field pellets.

And so, you don't want to pick them up, scoop them off and you know, take them away.

If they bother you, you can, you can water them down.

You can rake them down, you know,...mow them over.

But we don't recommend any kind of new management for the earthworms.

Amanda> Okay.

All right.

Well, Terasa.

Terasa> One more?

Amanda> One more.

We're going to squeeze it in.

Terasa> Bernie in Meggett, who said "If someone is going to buy a whole cow, "or a half a cow from a local producer, "how much meat would they expect to get out of it?"

Amanda> Well, Nicole, so if you have a bunch of young kids at your house, how much of a cow do you need?

Nicole> Oh, boy.

How much of a cow do I need for kids?

That's a great question, if they're teenagers.

But as far as buying a live cow, I know that the price of beef has gone up.

And so a lot of folks want to source their meat directly from the farmer, which we highly recommend.

Amanda> Oh how wonderful.

Nicole> Usually, steers can be about 1,200 pounds when it's ready to be processed, but you are not going to buy 1,200 pounds of meat.

Once that animal is broken down into parts, you usually get anywhere between 39 to 44 percent of the live animal weight.

And so you should be able to expect, a little over 400 pounds to 500 pounds of processed meat if you're going to do a whole.

Amanda>...and all kinds of.

Nicole> Things that come out trimmings, fat, that kind of thing... And so, you know, if, just because you're buying a 1,200 pound live animal doesn't mean that that's what's going to be in your freezer.

We still say have a lot of freezer space available and ready, but you can also, like the question said, you can buy half a cow, or you can do a quarter cow and kind of split it with friends.

And that's a great way to fill the freezer.

It's a great gift for Christmas for family members, to kind of get them through the year.

Amanda> How did you find a farmer who was doing that?

And then where would you take it to be processed?

Nicole> So you could talk to any local livestock agents.

And we've got lists of farmers, and we also have lists of processors that people can use in South Carolina.

Amanda> Come on.

So do I have to have my own trailer to go and get this cow?

Nicole> Absolutely not.

A lot of farmers will work with you.

And so, you don't need a trailer.

All... I mean, I've, I've done it before.

I've bought, I've bought a half a cow.

I split it with a friend of mine, and I just picked it up, you know, once it was done and I put it in the cooler.

Amanda> Oh, you don't even have to go and pick out your cow.

Nicole> You don't have to.

You can if you want.

<Okay.> But you don't have to.

I don't know how much fun that is.

If it has a name.

Amanda> Yeah, if it's somebody... Okay, well, that's pretty cool.

And you say that you can.

It's generally cheaper and you get really just wonderful South Carolina meat?

Nicole> It is very cost effective.

And then you, you directly help a local farmer.

You know exactly where that money is going to go.

Amanda> Thanks for telling us that.

I think that's really good news.

Vicky> Now I have a question.

Can you pick like, you're saying I want to buy, however much of this cow, can you, can you request certain cuts or...?

Nicole> Absolutely.

You can work with the local farmer to do that, and some of them are willing to sell.

So you only want to buy ribeyes.

Some of them are willing to sell only the ribeyes.

Some of them are, you know, if you want primarily hamburger meat.

And you can also talk to the processor, as well on how you go ahead and cut that animal up.

And even as much as, you know, two inches ribeyes versus one inch ribeyes kind of thing.

Vicky> Oh, okay.

Amanda> Goodness.

Okay.

Thick steak or thin steak.

Well, well let's run back to the Fairfield County Museum and get in the Jingle Bell holiday season again.

♪ ♪ Amanda> I'm in Winnsboro, South Carolina at the Fairfield County Museum with the director, Pelham Lyles.

And Pelham, I just love to come here.

Y'all have more cool, strange little things that I've ever seen.

And when I got here today, (Bells chime and both laugh) Amanda> Ding a ling.

>>These are so cute Amanda> So these, you know what, you know, da, da, da, da, da, sleigh bells ring, da, da, da, But these are actually sleigh bells.

And they're fascinating.

So this one is- Pelham> -a body strap, <A huh> Pelham> that would have been on the, I'm not sure if it went around his neck Amanda> Maybe around his neck.

Pelham> or around his body.

I don't know.

Amanda> And they're different sizes, so I guess it gives different sounds.

Pelham> Yeah.

Amanda> Shake it up for us a little bit.

Pelham> The big boy is up here.

Amanda> Yeah.

Pelham> The little boy is down here.

Amanda> It's just so much fun to think of, you know, you know, there those cars have noisy mufflers and all that kind of stuff.

What fun to have had a horse come by and make these beautiful sounds.

And then this one has been mounted so that you can see it but there was a device put on the back of the buggy or something where they could mount this.

Pelham> On the collar perhaps or on the body strap.

Amanda> And this one is fun because the bells are stationary but these little ding a lings make all the noise.

Pelham> Yeah.

(both laugh) Pelham> The ringers?

I don't know what they're called.

Amanda> But it's also, I mean this one is just, I think, very ornately beautiful.

Don't you think?

Pelham> Yeah.

They're several more in there.

There is one that has the gadget that fit into the harness in the cabinet in there.

So.

Amanda> And I think that people come here and just get so excited about your museum that they want to share things with you.

Is that what happens sometimes?

Pelham> Yes, we have all kind of plans to do more and it's a matter of finding enough volunteers.

So if anybody is interested, we will talk to them.

Amanda> And my favorite thing is the cradle that the baby was in and the crow would come with shiny objects.

Pelham> The crow would come and rock the cradle for the mother and she thought everything was fine until she started finding little shiny things and broken glass and things that the crow was bringing to the baby.

Amanda> Rock the cradle for the baby.

Isn't that just remarkable?

Pelham> She had to close the window to keep the crow out.

(laughter) Amanda> But y'all do.

I mean in the bedroom you have all kinds of things.

You've got a very, very ancient sewing machine.

It's just, I mean, you never know every place you turn.

And then to me it what was interesting, the cooking pot, from 1200 A.D.?

Pelham> Yes, from the Wateree River valley would have been-- Amanda> The indigenous people?

Pelham> Yes, they would have cooked on the... ...put it in the sand and built the fire around it and kept it warm.

And this one had a big crack in it.

It was never completely broken up.

And it was found down in a sand mound when the water was low.

So it was just kind of left at the fire side.

Amanda> Isn't that fascinating?

Pelham> Yeah.

Yeah.

Amanda> Well, I just want to come and visit y'all a lot.

My children come up from Los Angeles.

They think they have all those fancy museums out there.

Pelham> Well, good.

Amanda> I'm going to bring them up here to see you.

Pelham> Yeah.

Hopefully, we'll have our dioramas on display by then.

Amanda> Oh.

That would be so much fun.

Anyway.

Thank you for letting us come today.

Pelham> Thank you for coming.

♪ Amanda> Well, Vicky, I think you've got some... Fall color show and tell for us.

Vicky> Yeah.

This is a very neat, smallish understory, shrub that we kind of find.

And this is called a sassafras.

And one of the cool things about it is that it's...polymorphic.

And so there's lots of different, leaf styles on here, but one of the ways that we recognize it is the mitten.

Amanda> Yeah.

Vicky> It can be all sorts of different shapes, but the mitten is one of the easiest ways to recognize this plant.

Amanda> That is fun.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Get ready for winter sledding, Maybe not in South Carolina... Anyway.

Okay.

Thank you all so much.

And thank you at home.

We hope you'll be with us next week.

Happy Thanksgiving.

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