
Power and Loyalty in the Balance
Clip: 5/20/2025 | 4m 11sVideo has Closed Captions
Campaign finance issues test justice and loyalty, in this clip from BREAKING the DEADLOCK.
From BREAKING the DEADLOCK: A Power Play, a hypothetical scene unfolds. A potential campaign finance violation sparks tension between the "president" and the "U.S. Attorney General." Questions arise about political motivations, legal thresholds, and the limits of executive power. As roles shift and decisions are made, the balance between justice and loyalty is put to the test.
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Power and Loyalty in the Balance
Clip: 5/20/2025 | 4m 11sVideo has Closed Captions
From BREAKING the DEADLOCK: A Power Play, a hypothetical scene unfolds. A potential campaign finance violation sparks tension between the "president" and the "U.S. Attorney General." Questions arise about political motivations, legal thresholds, and the limits of executive power. As roles shift and decisions are made, the balance between justice and loyalty is put to the test.
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Learn Moreabout PBS online sponsorship- The president can't believe that the Supreme Court has ruled against him, but he's got an idea.
He's got an idea for how he's gonna fight back.
And so he calls you into his office, Alberto Gonzales.
You are now the United States Attorney General.
President Powerton calls you in and says, "Mr. Attorney General, priority number one, investigate Dan Goldman."
You'll do that, right?
Investigate Middlevania's Attorney General, Dan Goldman.
What do you say to him?
- Obviously, this is a great concern to you, Mr. President, and we'll look at it, but I'm going to only move forward in an investigation and prosecution if in the judgment of my team we believe that something illegal has occurred here.
- The president says, "Some of my loyal followers have been taking pictures, photographs of Mr. Goldman's home, and it looks like he's gotten some fancy upgrades lately."
You know, of course, that Mr. Goldman is now running for the United States Senate in Middlevania.
There's an open seat.
It's not Senator Christie's seat.
- Thank you.
- You're good.
- Thank you.
(audience chuckling) - Too bad.
- But the other seat is open, and if he is using campaign funds to upgrade his house, that would be illegal.
So you'll investigate him now, won't you?
- We may look at that.
Yes, we may look at that, but without it becoming public.
- The President is looking at you and says, "I'll tell you what, Mr. Attorney General.
I wanna make a statement to the press that the Attorney General, Mr. Goldman, is under investigation."
- I would urge you, Mr. President, not to make that statement.
We don't talk about pending investigations publicly.
- What is driving you to resist the president's request?
It's not the law.
I don't hear you saying it would be illegal or unlawful.
- Because we keep politics...
If this is driven by politics.
- Ah.
- We absolutely are not going to.
- Ah.
- Engage in any kind of investigation or prosecution of our political enemies.
- Would you call it- - We don't do that.
- Would you call it a norm?
- What?
That we- - That we don't investigate our political enemies.
- Absolutely.
- You can tell president's not very happy with your answer.
He wanted you to be- - I've been there.
- On his side.
- I've been there.
- Okay.
Decision time.
The president says, "I'm gonna issue this press statement.
I've changed my mind.
It's not seven days, it's 24 hours, and I need to know if you will sign it as my Attorney General that we are investigating Dan Goldman for campaign finance violations.
Can I put your name on it?
- First of all, I would try to talk him out of this.
- You've tried.
He's very stubborn.
(panelists chuckling) - Then I would tell the president, "Mr. President, I can't sign this statement, and if that means that you would like me to resign, then I will resign."
I've been in the Oval Office before with a resignation letter in my pocket.
It's not easy.
- It's not easy.
- But you have to do what you believe is right in the interest of justice.
- Okay.
I'm sorry to tell you, you are no longer the United States Attorney General.
(everyone laughing) - Mr. Severino?
- The resignation is the proper course if you cannot execute it, but the president is gonna find somebody that will eventually follow his orders.
- He wants to know if it'll be you.
He wants to know if you will investigate a person.
There's plausible evidence.
We've got the photographs.
You were good on the Green Business Bureau.
Would you?
- Yeah, if there's enough there there, then I would investigate.
- You would if- - There would have to be sufficient suspicion.
- Well, that's what we're finding out, to find- - Right, look, we're not like the communist, "Show me the man; I'll show you the crime," right?
We don't do that in the United States, but if there is enough there there, then I would be able to investigate.
- Okay.
- It all depends on the facts.
- Yes.
- But the president does get to say, "We wanna look into this here."
Look, if the president says, "We're gonna take down the mob in New York," you go to New York, and you shake down mobsters, right?
So the president can call the Attorney General- - Congratulations.
You are now the Attorney General of the United States.
(audience laughing) - (chuckling) It's somebody.
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